The last item on the agenda of the Community Council is set on 30 November 2010 (but one for which people were still coming very many) was the accession of Eastern SEDIF together. This meeting of the Community Council was convened urgently by Kern after the eruption of citizen last week. Fifty guards of the company Enyce guarded the entrance to the room (democracy creates jobs!). Inside barriers protected the elected "their" citizens. Clashes have also occurred outside the impossibility for the people who attended actually enter.
Bertrand Kern (President of East together, PS, Pantin) begins by recalling the discussion on 9 November and all the mayors continue to want to leave the jurisdiction is all water, all want public management (false!) a debate worthy (the room laughs, the guards move). Between the start and end in Paris, it took 6 years ... Is not all premises, it slows us down (very funny). "We have done our best in a minimum of time." "I am committed to working in that direction (public ownership), for now and already I have an appointment with Bertrand Delanoe who wished to see me as president of chipboard on this issue "(where we say that it is hard to hear, otherwise it means that it has Delanoë asked Kern to go ...). "Tonight there are two discussions that try to reconcile this debate ...
Marie-Genevieve Lentaigne: on behalf of the Ecology and Citizenship, and in accordance with Regulation I ask that the resolution of Ms. Voynet (proposed Friday 26 and relayed by the press) is voted upon.
Kern: The text is available where? (Room: he does not know his record!)
Greens are distributing their deliberation that Kern had already received ... and he will not vote!
Alain Calles (The Greens in Montreuil) 'during the last debate by a large majority of speakers spoke for a return to public management with a tentative agreement as is legally possible. This would allow us to improve studies have found that some directed towards the accession to SEDIF. He noted in the report a price of 1.39 €, false, exit costs of SEDIF ranging from 1 to 10 ... "I do not doubt the will all of us to do less for the people. " I do not doubt the PC and PS elected, or their desire to reduce the gap between citizens and elected officials. (Wait for the end of voting, you doubt ...)
Dominique Attia (Alter-agglo93 Montreuil): we will vote for the proposal for public ownership, we will vote against the return to SEDIF. Alter-Agglo93 engaged in, a network of citizens, associations and political parties, we have always stood for public ownership. The main groups of people claim the left hand on his heart, but some find it hard to go to practice. We propose to enter SEDIF to get out ... But after two years would he be elected, moreover, that left sitting alongside Santini are for our exit, when so many are under pressure and that their price increase? ! Better not get in! The water would not be served? Absurd to imagine and VEOLIA SEDIF do. By order, Mr. Chairman (Kern) you could commandeer. For January 2011, it will not be a member, he will have a convention, which you said it was not possible for public ownership! Return to SEDIF is capitulating to the rich.
Catherine Peyge (PC, Bobigny): yes the right to water, and even we could talk about free. Water has been entrusted to private long time. We must learn to work better together otherwise. We share the desire to escape the SEDIF, which entrusts its management to Veolia (this is not what the representative from the PC to SEDIF, Gilles Poux ...). Is it possible through together, we strengthened our negotiating capacity. Our community needs more time to exit SEDIF, a transitional period (12 years? 20 years?) (Hall: Treason! Not you ashamed!)
Daniel Bernard (Left Party, Bagnolet): I look back meetings: I I met many people for public ownership, perhaps others are for SEDIF and VEOLIA, so we had a consultation, a referendum, as I already asked. Eaux de Paris has undertaken not to climb the price of water, may increase SEDIF each quarter (17% in 6 years!) And when SEDIF VEOLIA gets down, it is the employees who pay the bills . If Yes to SEDIF prevailed, it would require a motion of support for employees struggling VEOLIA. On the left, all are committed to public service (the room: not all!), We disagree on the path. On the deliberation which proposes the creation of an engineer (to "study" the idea of a board), I will not because the resolution implies joining the SEDIF
Roger Gilbert (PS, Bondy) we have not to debate municipal SEDIF to exit (or to intercommunal!). There is no immediate alternative: we are either customers of Eaux de Paris is the SEDIF. As for the requisition, it is always for periods in time constraints, not for long periods. I am satisfied that the mayor of Paris, we received and I hope the council will open the Paris governance to other cities (it changes anything? It will be at SEDIF anyway!). In deliberation, it takes an engineer, you can output a city, we continue to consider public ownership (meaning: "What do you want more?"), Is that we do not trust us, I do not think one side, the good and the white and the other is wicked ... If all gives jurisdiction to the cities in 2014 (Hall: sold! pluralist! liar!), they come out of themselves.
Dupont (UMP) is expressed for SEDIF against the "mob", inaudible so he was booed (the room: it is not sold, it is disposable! UMP-PS!).
Jacques Champion (left alleged citizen, the party of the mayor of Romainville), argues that one must adhere to in order to weigh SEDIF (9 / 143, it makes a majority?). It takes time to verify if the board is possible (the room singing bla-bla-bla-bla-bla), to rejoin SEDIF this is not a capitalist roader. (But in fact, its mayor had not she explained that it was not routine at all during the debate on November 9?)
Marc Everbecq (PC, Bagnolet) I find that this is only the first debate, because our values of public services, justice, etc.. are shared by all the mayors of chipboard, for me it's not a final decision, citizens have high expectations on this subject. I will vote against membership in SEDIF. We have been given more data for the study. I abstain on the resolution establishing an engineer because it involves SEDIF, but elected Bagnolet are available to achieve the goal of leaving the SEDIF.
Carole Brevière (MODEM): I can not satisfy me the only study CALIA, my vote will be responsible for the people, pragmatic, non-dogmatic, self etc.. (She apologized already ...). She then criticizes the fact that the PS has not been consistent in not making a sufficient study early. She said voting for the "re-accession to SEDIF (we had guessed it ...)
Voynet (Green, Mayor of Montreuil) said that elected officials are resigned to SEDIF, sometimes comfortably. "The studies have been dismantled easily by taking our own contacts." It took until mid-October for contacts, so that we ourselves have had no trouble getting appointments. We lost eight months. We're out of time regardless of the choice (or membership SEDIF Eaux de Paris). Can not make an agreement? SEDIF would not? But no negotiations were underway! We should move the markets? But it would be autonomous to choose! Asked the prefect is set to award an agreement for three months before returning to SEDIF, it is possible to conclude an agreement of 6 months to make calls to offer!
I want guarantees:
- water quality and maintenance of the network (while it would currently 2 and a half centuries renew the network)
- the possibility to leave in 2 years of SEDIF
- Is set if the possibility remains SEDIF, a common way?
I do not doubt the good will, otherwise it would end all Is this not what we want.
Mr. Peries (Chevènement Pantin): There is no capitulator in East together. Eaux de Paris is still working with elements of Veolia when we need a board where nothing is left to the private sector (the room died laughing: lefty!), Which is why he wants to return to SEDIF.
Jacques Jakubowicz (PC, Bondy), the vote tonight is a practical choice: either the public or the multinational Veolia
Georgia Vincent (UMP, Bondy): When we announced the creation of East together at Bondy, I qualified - including tax-, not knowing if it was well thought ... Why not try an adventure? But tonight most fights, not welded. The debate for or not VEOLIA is a false debate, these are issues of power. Paris and Veolia Water? Who can compete VEOLIA? Where is the interest of East emblem (the room: pay the cheapest water!)? Ms. Voynet I find you quite irresponsible (the room: you do not know the file!). Ms. Vincent noted that, as the elect PS Bondy has always refused to meet with 5 associations of his city to hear the arguments of the 900 Bondynois who signed the petition for a public utility ...
Mariama Lescure (Alter-agglo93, Le Pré St. Gervais): the "reality principle" is the term often used to justify all the sacrifices! This meeting largely left may not delegate to private water. You all know the consequences for men and tools of selected contracts to the lowest bidder, as now VEOLIA with its employees. Only management can guarantee public employees, the water cost. What the left does not take a speech in elections and another in the making.
Pierre Desgranges (Greens in Montreuil): can we get out of SEDIF? Veolia's interest to increase the number of its customers because of fixed costs (Eastern Ensemble is 6 million euros a year), so it's a strong argument for not letting out.
indices VEOLIA favor higher prices. On the other hand, the file can not be passed since the 9 deliberation presupposes that the board voted Deliberation 10. I turn to Jean Jaurès, which is next (the signs of the citizens present): "not having the strength to act, they hold forth," I invite you to have the strength to act.
Daniel Guiraud (PS, Les Lilas), we can not take any chances with the water because of fire safety (the room laughs and sings Pimpon! Pimpon! Pimpon!). We must take time to study.
Kern: I saw the resolution 9 (on engineering position) as a policy and 10 (on joining SEDIF) as a management decision (Very strong! He admits that political deliberation is useless and management will be by membership SEDIF!)
53 votes for membership SEDIF: UMP, PS, MODEM, a minority of the PC (Bobigny and Le Pré Saint Gervais).
38 votes against: Ecology and citizenship, Alter-agglo93, the Left Party and a majority of the PC.
People do not disarm, leaving the room with cries of "and now the court! And now the cantonal! "
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